Curse

Dark Paladin X · Jun 23, 2008, 11:24 AM // 11:24

Here are my best two solutions:
1) Introduce new items that uses ectos or shards.
2) Let favor die out. I mean, ANet doesn't want something like 20k minutes of favor which can last for several weeks. When that happens, ectos will bring back up again.

That way, no one will QQ on going to nerf Shadow Form or the Underworld.

masta_yoda · Jun 23, 2008, 11:28 AM // 11:28

i sense this thursaday the nerfbat for sf is coming

4thVariety · Jun 23, 2008, 11:46 AM // 11:46

It's weird, for the Elite PvP players there is Izzy handling the skillbalance, but for PvE there really is no such person. Arenanet approaches PvE balance the same way it approaches PvP balance, i.e. by trying to manipulate the skills on the playerside to fix all issues with builds gone bad.

But it would be far more effective to have a person editing the monster-skillbar in the Elite areas from time to time. None of the PvE builds are a problem in PvP for the simple reason that players always adapt. They would even adapt to permasins and Ursans. The issue PvE has, is one of non-adaptability. It is a mirage to believe into the fact that one day Izzy will turn the magical balancing knobs and get it right for all times. There are just too many skills and synergies for that. PvP players call that the meta game. PvE also has a meta game. A game of being outmatched when it comes to levels. This is the final resort, since monsters can neither adapt in build, nor strategy. Their skillbars and AI are fixed, their adaptability reduced to zero. Changing that will do far more for the game than tinkering around with endless combos and consumables. Even as little as throwing a few Mist Veattirs into the UW spawning mix would totally mess with players.

Pleikki · Jun 23, 2008, 11:53 AM // 11:53

Everyone say its solution let Favor run out. c'mon.. People got loads of scrolls so it wont help..

masta_yoda · Jun 23, 2008, 11:54 AM // 11:54

scrolls can run out i belive ^^

Fay Vert · Jun 23, 2008, 12:02 PM // 12:02

Is there anyone that says don't nerf shadow form who doesn't use it?

I get the feeling that there is a lot of self interest in posts here.

I persnally am in favour of a nerf to shadow form, against a nerf to chaos plains and I currently neither farm chaos plains or use shadow form for farm (I have used it for running about a year ago.)

Tyla · Jun 23, 2008, 03:54 PM // 15:54

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Originally Posted by 4thVariety

It's weird, for the Elite PvP players there is Izzy handling the skillbalance, but for PvE there really is no such person.

I believe Izzy is in charge of PvE balance too.

Jongo River · Jun 23, 2008, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Is there anyone that says don't nerf shadow form who doesn't use it?

I get the feeling that there is a lot of self interest in posts here.

I persnally am in favour of a nerf to shadow form, against a nerf to chaos plains and I currently neither farm chaos plains or use shadow form for farm (I have used it for running about a year ago.)

It's always self-interest. The arguments of all sides are based on what people believe is best for themselves (OK, some will grandly claim to know what's best for the game, but those types are just being clever enough to conceal their real motives):

Concern at ectos losing value - self-interest.

Concern at FoW armour becoming less "prestige" - self-interest.

No stated issue, but want something nerfed anyway - well... that's just ignorance, isn't it?

Great Scoot · Jun 23, 2008, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Plain and simple

Anet is rewarding, NOT skill, but who has the most endurance to sit in front of a LCD screen and keep a bar of skills up.

Someone coming out of UW with 10 ectos on a run is absurd, I would be fine with this if when a group did a Clear, they were all awarded something greater than if a A/E did a solo run.

but then the prices of ectos would dump way more then they are now.

moral of the story, We Dont need ridiculous n00b builds to farm our game, get rid of SF, and ursan for that fact of the matter.

Anyone that has played GW before factions came out, knows what I am talking about.

the end of ranting

Pandora's box · Jun 23, 2008, 05:28 PM // 17:28

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Is there anyone that says don't nerf shadow form who doesn't use it?

I get the feeling that there is a lot of self interest in posts here.

I persnally am in favour of a nerf to shadow form, against a nerf to chaos plains and I currently neither farm chaos plains or use shadow form for farm (I have used it for running about a year ago.)

Let's reverse that: Is there anyone frequently using Shadow Form who wants to nerf it? Why spoil their pleasure? As to your statement: I dont use SF, and I see no reason to nerf it. Or any other skill on PvE. Nerfs are thrown away with PvP, its the past. Now its buffing time!

whitedragon · Jun 23, 2008, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by Pandora's box

Let's reverse that: Is there anyone frequently using Shadow Form who wants to nerf it? Why spoil their pleasure? As to your statement: I dont use SF, and I see no reason to nerf it. Or any other skill on PvE. Nerfs are thrown away with PvP, its the past. Now its buffing time!

sooo qft...

I use sf and love it, i dont use ursan and hate it, but i dont see the need to nerf it. My epeen is just fine with everyone being able to get fow armor and my stack of ectos not worth as much

and as for pve balance (lol) how does whats on my bar afect your gameplay.

DarkGanni · Jun 23, 2008, 05:46 PM // 17:46

I wouldn't nerf either of them, I wish ppl would quit whining about their e-peen ecto stacks. Oh please your ecto stack went down by a few plat you're gonna bleed and die.

If ectos are no longer stable to use as currency, then use something else.

Pleikki · Jun 23, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by masta_yoda

scrolls can run out i belive ^^

theres trader and yeye they can run out from it but it doesnt take long farm some freaking boss to get couple

kostolomac · Jun 23, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Allow only 3 entries to UW and FoW per day. It will be a thorn in the eye for farmers and stop the fast clear teams.
However I wish the ecto becomes what it should have been. An rare material for crafting , not a measure for richness and the size of an e-peen.

Chthon · Jun 23, 2008, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Is there anyone that says don't nerf shadow form who doesn't use it?

I get the feeling that there is a lot of self interest in posts here.

To turn that around, is there anywho who says "nerf shadow form" who doesn't have a stack of ectos and/or a hideous FoW+chaos gloves+dread mask outfit that their e-peen is strongly invested in?

Bug John · Jun 23, 2008, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by Great Scoot

Anet is rewarding, NOT skill, but who has the most endurance to sit in front of a LCD screen and keep a bar of skills up.

because you could actually get rich without spending way too much time in front of your screen ?

if Anet rewarded skill, ectos would be given as quest reward in uw

lyra_song · Jun 23, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by Jongo River

It's always self-interest. The arguments of all sides are based on what people believe is best for themselves (OK, some will grandly claim to know what's best for the game, but those types are just being clever enough to conceal their real motives):

Concern at ectos losing value - self-interest.

Concern at FoW armour becoming less "prestige" - self-interest.

No stated issue, but want something nerfed anyway - well... that's just ignorance, isn't it?

Well. Lets explore the situation

We have a very very GOOD farming build. This farming build can solo areas of the game where the highest valued items (value given by an NPC) drops ie: ecto.

Now...it goes on to follow, that the MORE people farm, the lower the value of ecto will be.

Now...as the value of ecto decreases, those multitude of people will lose money as they farm.

Eventually you reach a point where ecto is no longer worth farming and the farming UW becomes pointless.

Now without a high commodity item, what's left that will give players a solid valued item? Keys? Lockpicks? These items cannot be reliably farmed.

It devalues the whole economy. Now in a PURELY player driven economy, this wouldn't be so bad.

BUT. NPCs don't give a rat's ass if your ecto is worth a lot less. They still charge the same for their services and armor.

So now, the casual player who gets an ecto now and then no longer gets the same amount of money. The farmer can no longer make money.

Plus players will adjust the value of their wares for this inflation.

Overly powerful builds must be placed under control so that it is usable but not invincible. There must be enough of a Fail/Success ratio so that not everyone can do it.

Devaluation IS bad for the game.
Removing prestige from PRESTIGE items is bad for the game.

This is about player MORALE and player MOTIVATION.
If players are pissed and dont want to play, whats the point? Of course its in our self interest!

I want a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing balanced game.

Targren · Jun 23, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by You Look Grim

I like things the way they are. I enjoy low ecto prices ~_~

You and just about everyone else who didn't stupidly tie up their personal wealth in an unstable commodity.

(Re: Passage scrolls)

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Originally Posted by Pleikki

theres trader and yeye they can run out from it but it doesnt take long farm some freaking boss to get couple

Like runes and ectos, Traders only sell what is sold to them.

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Originally Posted by Lyra Song

Devaluation IS bad for the game.
Removing prestige from PRESTIGE items is bad for the game.

One man's "devaluation" is another's "Market Correction."

And the argument about prestige is just epeen. It might be bad for the fragile egos of those who think "prestige" items give their lives value, but it is not bad for the game as a whole.

whitedragon · Jun 23, 2008, 06:35 PM // 18:35

OFF topic but why is it people think that sf and ursan are the reason that ectos are so low? the reason they are low is the new farmers dont understand how the game ecomomy is setup. they got this good build that lets them do areas that they couldnt do much before and get ectos and what not but they then sell them to the trader so prices goes down.

so its not the skills fault, its the people who sell them to the traders that are making the prices go down

legacyofkain85 · Jun 23, 2008, 06:36 PM // 18:36

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Originally Posted by Destiny2097

...except that rending touch is a spell so it won't work

darn u are right,give them expunge enchantments than lol and make them go /A or signet of disenchantment with /me